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Title: Packed With Fiber
Author: Rebcake
Rating: PG
Word Count: 960
Prompt: 196 — Breakfast
Characters: Buffy, Giles, Joyce, and Jhiera (from She)
Summary: Buffy extends a welcoming hand to some demons in need. Just not very enthusiastically.
A/N: Continued from part 1, Stay Frosty.


Buffy could have been enjoying her first morning-after Wheaties with her wholesome new boyfriend. A boyfriend who refreshingly seemed to think that overnights should include breakfast. But now she didn’t get to see if Riley actually ate Wheaties in the mornings, because duty, as usual, called. As duty went, this was above, beyond, and way too early.

“Cordy said she was sending girls!” whined Buffy. “Refugee girls. I was expecting dirndls and a rousing chorus of “Edelweiss”. This is a Miss Demon Dimension Swimsuit Pageant!”

Giles patted his brow with his handkerchief. “Be that as it may, Buffy, they are refugees. The situation they face in their home dimension is dire. If they were to be sent back, they would have their free will, their very personalities as it were, physically removed. If there were channels for interdimensional asylum seekers, we would not be involved, but such channels are unknown to me.”

“Where’s the Men in Black when you need them?” she grumbled. “So, they’re harmless?” Buffy regarded Jhiera’s chest, thinking sourly that someone’s eye might get poked out, at the very least.

“Um, mostly harmless, I suppose. Would anyone like some iced tea?” At enthusiastic nods from several of the statuesque young demon women, he headed for the kitchen. Buffy followed.

Mostly harmless? What aren’t you telling me, Giles?”

“They do not harbor any evil intent toward humans. As part of the maturation process, the females of their species need to be kept cool, that’s all.”

“Or what?”

“If their temperature isn’t properly regulated, it can cause inadvertent combustion of bystanders.” He rummaged around in the freezer for more ice.

“Accidental spontaneous combustion? Is that all? Oh my god. You’re making iced tea! You said that was a sacrilege! And, it’s February.” She whirled around. “Is that why they aren’t wearing clothes?”

Giles was spared having to defend the women’s brief attire by the arrival of Joyce Summers. She sailed through the front door after a cursory knock, and immediately introduced herself to the leader of the newcomers.

“Oh, thank god you arrived safely! I was so worried. When Cordelia told me what you’ve all been through… Well, of course I want to help in any way I can.”

“Mom?”

“Oh, hello Buffy. Isn’t it awful?”

“What are you doing here? At 7:30 in the morning?” Buffy cast a suspicious glance at Giles, who rolled his eyes.

“I would have been here earlier, but I was making sure these poor women would have everything they needed back at the house.” Joyce absently fanned her face.

“Poor women? What? Mom, tell me you aren’t thinking of opening a halfway house for wayward bikini-clad demons at our house.”

“I’m surprised at you, Buffy. These women have been pursued by men determined to turn them into mindless slaves. Offering a helping hand is the least I can do. I thought I raised you to have a bit more compassion.”

“But, our house!”

“With you off at school, it’s too big for just me. Besides, it’s not fair to Mr. Giles to pack his apartment with half a dozen females, is it?” Buffy shot a look at Giles, who shrugged while loading glasses of iced tea onto a tray. “Besides, we already have a deep-freeze, so there’s room for all the frozen food they need to keep cool. It’s just until they find a more permanent solution.”

Jhiera had watched the argument as if it were a tennis match. After accepting a glass of tea from the offered tray, she finally spoke up.

“My girls and I are grateful for your assistance, Joyce Summers. We will not trouble you long.”

“Oh, it’s no trouble at all. I read The Handmaid’s Tale, and I certainly don’t intend to stand by and do nothing in the face of such an injustice.”

“Mom, could I have a word with you, please?” Joyce sighed and grabbed a glass of tea as she followed Buffy into the hallway. She rolled the glass against her temple as she listened.

“Are you sure you’ve thought this through, mom? I mean, do you even know what to expect if the men chasing these demons find them? You’re putting yourself into an awfully dangerous situation. I don’t like it. I am so having words with Cordelia for getting you involved.”

“Buffy, I understand that you’re worried, but this is something I feel very strongly about.”

“Since about 12 hours ago! And they’re demons!”

“It’s the right thing to do. It isn’t as if you haven’t protected demons before. What about your friend Oz?”

Buffy opened her mouth to protest, but shut it again. Defeated by mom logic.

“Okay. I can see you’re going to go through with this. What would you need me to do?”

“Thank you, sweetheart. It’s very gracious of you to protect these downtrodden women.”

“I guess.” Agreement reached, they returned to Giles’ living room. Buffy tried to think of a tactical approach to the problem before them.

“Do you think there should be full-time security? Do I need to move back in?” She thought again about the lack of Wheaties this morning and really, really hoped not. Juggling her new Initiative duties, her new hottie, classes, slaying, her mom, and a bevy of bathing beauties was starting to sound like just enough to be too much.

Giles spoke up from the kitchen, where he had retreated after the tea was distributed.

“I don’t think that will be necessary, Buffy. These women are not without their own defenses. Perhaps you could just make it a nightly stop on your patrol route. That ought to be sufficient.”

“Yes,” said Jhiera. “We are strong, and when our associates arrive tomorrow, we will be stronger.”

“Swell. Welcome to Sunnydale. Try not to get eaten.”


Continued in part 3, Double Scoop of Oden Tal.

Date: 2010-11-19 04:26 am (UTC)
snickfic: Buffy looking over her shoulder (Spike Joyce)
From: [personal profile] snickfic
Defeated by mom logic.

Foiled again!

Your Joyce is a hoot - she's so earnest. This was very much fun, and it's lovely to see you writing again. :)

Date: 2010-11-19 04:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bobthemole.livejournal.com
“Oh, it’s no trouble at all. I read The Handmaid’s Tale, and I certainly don’t intend to stand by and do nothing in the face of such an injustice.”

Go Joyce! Apply those Book Club skillz!

This was adorable.

Date: 2010-11-19 09:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zanthinegirl.livejournal.com
Hee! I love the way you write Joyce here. Must do the right thing for those poor, oppressed demons! Cause it just wouldn't look right for them to stay with Giles. LOl!

Date: 2010-11-19 09:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gigi-tastic.livejournal.com
oh joyce!!! i can see her now in some parade for them... ice for freedom... or something. heee i love mrs. summers!

Date: 2010-11-20 06:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gigi-tastic.livejournal.com
she really is very earnest. i sort of loved her when she found out buffy was a slayer for this one line.. "have you tried not being the slayer?"

Date: 2010-11-19 12:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slaymesoftly.livejournal.com
Totally started my morning off with a smile. Thanks!

Date: 2010-11-19 08:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brutti-ma-buoni.livejournal.com
Mom, tell me you aren’t thinking of opening a halfway house for wayward bikini-clad demons at our house.

*loves*

The dynamic of Buffy, Joyce and Giles is lovely here. Joyce so earnest, and Giles not quite totally distracted by the girls.

Date: 2010-11-20 06:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ticketsonmyself.livejournal.com
I can't quite decide if Buffy is more miffed because she missed out on her post-coital breakfast cuddles, or the fact that all of the Oden Tal gals are at least 6 inches taller than her (my canon). Hee. Also, I'm sure that Giles is torn by his researching and carnal impulses: which way to jump?

I love this personal canon! And totally LOLing.

Date: 2010-11-21 08:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ticketsonmyself.livejournal.com
Lolworthy image! I suspect they're more likely to be hopping from discomfort like the fairytale witch who had to put on her red-hot shoes and dance, though, given that they're still feeling so uncomfortably hot they have to basically stay in bikinis. And I can't imagine I'd be thrilled to spend time with any human men, in the knowledge that if I didn't manage to keep my body temperature down they might attack me and I might end up burning them up. Well, that and the PTSD, culture shock, fear and uncertainty about the future, etc. I'm glad they've reached a point where several girls can spend time alone in the same house as and even in the same room as Giles and everyone still stays safe, and even more glad that Joyce is taking over housing duties for now. (Though I imagine more lolarious complications will come into play soon!) Jhiera said that with removal of the ko, "We leave behind dreaming," which is a striking enough phrase that I wonder what these girls' dreams are.

Date: 2010-12-03 11:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ticketsonmyself.livejournal.com
Heh. Well, I'm thinking that the outer application of ice was just the first step, and now that Cordelia introduced them to the therapeutic wonders of ice cream they are finding it easier to control the ko through oral application of the frozen water. It's a leap, but it's sort of the whole basis of letting them run around Sunnydale.

Ah yes! :D

Eep, I'd be scared of how the Initiative soldiers will respond if this weren't a comedy series! They barely seem to have a setting less vivisection-y than "bag and tag," and don't seem to have any grasp on the concept of demons whose lives aren't predicated on harming humans by inclination or biological necessity (with the exception of Riley re: Oz).

Date: 2010-11-20 06:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ticketsonmyself.livejournal.com
This cracks me the heck up. Buffy's petulance (missing morning-after breakfast with Riley! I would be petulant too on that count, hee!) and Joyce's earnestness steamrolling! Defeated by mom logic! Fave lines:

“Refugee girls. I was expecting dirndls and a rousing chorus of “Edelweiss”. This is a Miss Demon Dimension Swimsuit Pageant!”

“Accidental spontaneous combustion? Is that all? Oh my god. You’re making iced tea! You said that was a sacrilege! And, it’s February.” She whirled around. “Is that why they aren’t wearing clothes?”


I actually LOLed at the "iced tea sacrilege" line!

She thought again about the lack of Wheaties this morning and really, really hoped not. Juggling her new Initiative duties, her new hottie, classes, slaying, her mom, and a bevy of bathing beauties was starting to sound like just enough to be too much.

Heeee!

I'm so glad there is more of this 'verse! :D

Date: 2010-11-21 08:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ticketsonmyself.livejournal.com
I was thinking about Joyce and The Handmaid's Tale - her Earnest Person of (Relative) Privilege enthusiasm comes off very clearly here, played off against Buffy's reflexive (and also privileged) "Nooooo!" re: getting entangled in the ongoing crisis faced by these refugees, even if physically the worst of the maturation process for each Oden Tal girl is over within a few months of staying cool. (It's good extrapolation from Joyce's behavior in "Gingerbread," though of course in that episode her existing feelings were magnified by the malignant spell factor - and unlike that episode, "She" inevitably sets up a racialized analogy what with Bai Ling's casting and the real-life parallel the writers are trying to make.*) It makes me think of this magnificent fic about The Handmaid's Tale, "Sisters of Bilhah." (http://archiveofourown.org/works/33088) Summary: Sisters of Bilhah is the largest registered charitable organisation in the UK working with asylum seekers and refugees who were citizens of the former United States of America. On a less srs bzns note, I am super super excited that this AU is continuing! I look forward to further wacky hijinks, possibly involving Harry Doyle (YAY!).

*The problematics of the analogy are somewhat diffused by all the other characters from Oden Tal being played by white actors, as far as I know (though I usually look askance at the whitewashed casting of most actors with significant lines on AtS - they live in L.A.! - and it seems sort of weird that Jhiera is the only Oden Tal character played by an Asian actor, and the only actor with a noticeable "foreign" accent). However, those aspects are still very present given some persistent stereotypes (http://www.manaa.org/asian_stereotypes.html) about women of color in white-dominated media - I'm thinking specifically of women of Asian descent here - often heavily sexualized; uncontrollable/difficult-to-control and destructive in their sexuality when they aren't mute/subservient and sometimes even when they are; ninja-like fightin' moves in fictional media; ruthless in pursuit of their goals in a way that often involves people getting killed. In the case of this episode, a lot of it has to do with the costume that the show had Bai Ling wear; much of the rest has to do with the illustration of the writers' real-life analogy of choice, the passivity of and lack of lines for the other Oden Tal refugees except for the girl who was caught and "unmade," and the fightin' moves - I'm definitely not against Jhiera being able to defend herself and the other Oden Tal refugees, and I understand the girls being transported are probably semiconscious at that point, but the combination of things makes it all kind of sketch. Not least the literalization of the metaphor - for example, that human men** (and Angel) involuntarily respond to the sexual maturation of Oden Tal girls who are "in heat," sometimes to the point of attempting sexual contact against the will of those women. Which is problematic of the episode on a couple of important levels!

**Unless they're gay? At least that was one possible message I was getting from the characterization of Jhiera's unnamed spa contact. Maybe he was unaffected then just because all the other Oden Tal girls were already fully on ice, though, and because Jhiera obviously wasn't attracted to him.

Long comment ended up long (part 1 of 3[?])

Date: 2010-12-03 01:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ticketsonmyself.livejournal.com
Yeah, I was thinking of foot-binding too. Also both FGM and foot-binding have popular representations of problematic racialized imagery in white-dominated countries - the whole paternalistic white concepts of white folks' own supposedly "relatively enlightened" history and present vs. their concepts of the nonwhite "barbaric."

Neither of these quite encompass the horror of losing one's will and personality, one's ability to have hopes and dreams, but they are horrible enough, and definitely have racial/ethnic connotations. As does the whole "underground railroad of escaping slaves" motif.

Yep!

Indeed! I remember clicking over a few times in April, when the Herald linked some works.

As I understand it, while the show was on UPN for two seasons, UPN put pressure on ME to cast actors of color in the final season (the community profile for [livejournal.com profile] deadbrowalking rather aptly refers to S7's "implementation of court-ordered desegregation in Sunnydale and the resulting influx of people of color in the town").

Long comment ended up long (part 3 of 3)

Date: 2010-12-03 01:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ticketsonmyself.livejournal.com
While operating as an example of a different trope, Gunn's highly problematic storyline in season 5 (well, at least he got a storyline?) in terms of both race and class mobility underscores what I usually ended up dreading whenever either show gave significant focus to guest or recurring characters of color! In this context, Jhiera probably actually comes off better than most characters "visibly" played by an actor of color on either show; the end of "She" is almost on par with the end of "War Zone" in terms of having her establish that she has some good reason to maintain that the ultimate arbiter of her actions/ethics is herself.

I first watched the episode primarily to see her, and everybody else was the "other".

:)

I can fanwank the mostly white ethnicity of the Oden Tal folks in such a way that the ruling class is different (perhaps inbred or superbred) and that the accent is as explainable as having someone educated at Oxford speak differently than a Valley Girl. But the truth is that all those things — ethnic preconceptions, accents, history, etc. — have an impact on how the character is seen.

Yeah.

The only other human man Jhiera makes contact with onscreen is the museum security guard, who is - as far as we can tell - unaffected by her presence. She's obviously not attracted to him either, though (we can't see her neck because she deliberately put the sweater hoodie on before going in, but yeah). So, since she's not involuntarily "broadcasting 24/7" like the girls who are still in the stage where they have to be on ice all the time, I assume two of the deciding factors as to whether a male human or vampire is likely to involuntarily respond in the episode are 1) is the girl still in that stage 24/7 and 2) if not, is she attracted to him. I think if an Oden Tal girl still burning up 24/7 came into contact with any of the Trio, they'd be irresistibly attracted, but she would probably be as unresponsive in that state as the girls were to Wesley. (And Wesley is a much better prospect, comparatively speaking... not that that's saying much in this context, since this is the Trio we're talking about!) We don't know if spa guy had an involuntary response when the girls came in originally, or whether - quite possibly - they were moved in already on ice and that question didn't arise, but another reason I took the guy as gay was that Jhiera explicitly trusted enough that the girls would be safe with him to leave them for a while and she only came back when the emergency arose. (After all, A/C malfunctions and the like can happen!)

Long comment ended up long (part 2B of 3??)

Date: 2010-12-03 02:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ticketsonmyself.livejournal.com
the fact that most good non-regular roles tend to be villains or victims adds another layer of "other" to casting either with a person of color

Another thought related to this: "Pangs" is a classic example of what [livejournal.com profile] oyceter dubbed "Revenge of the Colored People/Night of the Non-White" (http://oyceter.dreamwidth.org/904960.html?style=light):
[S]tories where an angry person of color (frequently a Black man) goes off on a criminal or killing spree, and it is later revealed that the angsty backstory is.... racism! [...]

My off-the-cuff theory is that there is a subconscious knowledge that POC are angry about racism and a subconscious fear that this anger will eventually result in the murder of White people, particularly White people who are not responsible for aforementioned racism. And thus, when POC are angry, it triggers this fear, which also leads to the unjustified thought that White people are unsafe from the Revenge of the Colored People. But the basis of the trope is "OMG these people were oppressed in the past, but not by me, and they are so angry that they turn their rage on undeserving targets, and look, we feel bad they were oppressed, but must they be so scary and angry and mean? See, they turn to violence, which clearly indicates that although they might have sympathetic motives, they go too far!" It is an extreme example of the tone argument or concern trolls, in which White people might actually feel for the injustice of racism if only those annoying brown people weren't so mean about it.

This is, of course, bunk, as a) it plays into the stereotype of angry and violent POC, particularly Black and Muslim POC, b) there is no such thing as being innocent of institutional racism when White privilege is so ingrained in the world, c) the notion that anger inevitably turns to violence and mass murder, and d) the idea that individual acts of violence have the same weight and effect as institutional oppression (I do not condone violence or think it is good, btw, but it is also not the same).
More at the post, plus many, many examples from different media, brought by commenters. The very worst thing about "Pangs," I think, is that through Spike as its typical S4 "truth-teller" mouthpiece it really does endorse the "historical inevitability" of genocide, in this case the (ongoing, but I seriously doubt the writers or showrunners realized this!) genocide of Native Americans. I wouldn't expect any better of Spike here - and a person obviously does not have to be a white, male, currently conscienceless murderer born in the 19th century to believe in the "historical inevitability" fallacy propounded just about everywhere in a white supermacist society - but it's the part where Spike is obviously supposed to be the "truth teller" there (and "Listen to you. How you gonna fight anyone with that attitude?") while the writers make a false analogy between genocide of Native Americans and the Roman empire (thereby flattening the obvious issue of race) and then the Scoobies symbolically reenact that genocide by killing the malignant ghost. I did like the part where Xander got the diseases, though; it did a much better job of not... embodying the Revenge of the Colored People trope wholesale. And really, there are so many points in that episode where that trope could have been averted or at least subverted. It's not only that the "Chumash spirit" was the victim-become-villain, though that's a significant part of it; it's how the writers chose to frame and develop that.
From: [identity profile] ticketsonmyself.livejournal.com
the fact that most good non-regular roles tend to be villains or victims adds another layer of "other" to casting either with a person of color

Yes. And eleusis_walks has discussed (http://eleusis-walks.livejournal.com/48816.html?format=light) how specifically, "[i]n a very real sense, Buffy depicts the way the largely white feminist movement has absorbed and repurposed the narratives of women of color for the use of progressive movements primarily benefiting white women," analyzing the relationships between Buffy & Sineya; Willow & Jenny Calendar; Buffy, Spike, & Slayers of color (Kendra, the Slayer in China who goes unnamed on the show, Nikki Wood); Buffy, Willow, Spike, & Slayers around the globe from "Chosen" onward (and Dana in "Damage," co-written by one of the same writers as LMPTM). From a distinct but overlapping perspective, thuviaptarth talks (http://thuviaptarth.livejournal.com/92385.html?thread=1152481&format=light#cutid1) about the specific way this sublimation of characters of color to a white narrative in the Buffyverse operates in reference to giandujakiss's vid "Origin Stories." (http://giandujakiss.livejournal.com/360051.html?mode=reply&format=light) The second major problem, in my view, of how the Buffyverse represents race is that almost every time it tries to deal with race head-on as a thematically important component of an episode or a plot arc, it fails because not only because of general whitewashing but because of all the times it constructs COC as implicitly "racists" themselves against demons, or as people who fall prey to bigotry/hysteria that ends up victimizing (not integrally murderous) demons. In addition to what has been discussed by eleusis_walks and thuviaptarth, various other things come to mind: A highly racialized "vengeance is paramount" trope re: the "gypsy clan" from which Jenny descends, as represented by the original (nameless) people who cursed Angel and by Uncle Enyos (later killed, of course, by Angel/us). Kendra's attitude and initial actions toward, and persistent wariness of Angel. The entire characterization of Forrest as the "hard liner" of the Initiative soldiers we know. The explicit characterizations of Gunn and Chain as rashly aggressive and almost inviting retaliation from vampire gangs in "War Zone" (whose racial narrative is, for me, mainly saved by Angel's last words to Gunn in the episode - that Gunn might not need Angel, but Angel might need Gunn sometime). The depiction of the racial narrative in "Are You Now Or Have You Ever Been", in which Angel acts as the "colorblind" ambiguously-good white guy (from the transcript: Angel steps closer with a slight smile: "It's just blood - Judy. - It-it's all just blood."), explicitly sympathizes with and tries to help Judy on the basis of being a sort of "tragic mulatto" caught between two worlds himself (Judy: "Nobody believes that! Not even my *mother's family*. I'm not one thing or the other. I'm nothing." Angel: "I know what that's like.") and later ends up literally being lynched by a mob of people at the hotel, set on him by Judy (who's afraid that they'll find out she embezzled from her former employer, who fired her because they discovered she was passing). The entire episode is a racial allegory (the people who lynch Angel are acting through hysteria - supernaturally encouraged by the Thesulac - and in several cases, through fear their own "otherness" will be discovered), yet it rings false to me in large part due to the overall context I have described. Season 3's "That Old Gang of Mine" is the epitome of this intensely problematic trope; Tim Minear basically disowned the episode as just being a lousy episode, but it's operating in the overall context of these examples, and not at all alone.

Date: 2010-12-03 05:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ticketsonmyself.livejournal.com
(The example of Kendra in the context of that particular trope is arguable, since Faith reacts in a similar way when she first encounters Angel. The other examples, though!)

Date: 2010-11-21 08:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ares132006.livejournal.com
Oh Joyce! What a dynamo! Defeated by Mom logic. *snort*

And Giles retreating from the room. I wonder why?

Teehee...

Date: 2010-12-01 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] duh-i-read.livejournal.com
First off this: “Oh, it’s no trouble at all. I read The Handmaid’s Tale, and I certainly don’t intend to stand by and do nothing in the face of such an injustice.” is hilarious. I love Joyce here so much.

Second, this makes me want to rewatch She like woah.
Edited Date: 2010-12-01 09:19 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-12-05 01:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] consumedly.livejournal.com
This was just awesome!!! I'm glad you are writing sequels and I'm definitely going to read the next one...

"Buffy opened her mouth to protest, but shut it again. Defeated by mom logic." and "“Swell. Welcome to Sunnydale. Try not to get eaten.” were just... *rofl*
thanks for writing it!

RYL

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